he's made it clear at that time fiscal cliff deadline may not be met. joining me live to talk about scenarios ahead, former pennsylvania representative and 2010 senate candidate as well, joe sestak, always good to see you. >> good to see you, craig. >> right now ideas are being debated behind closed doors and you suggest we shouldn't be talking so much about a fiscal cliff, per se. we should be talking about a bunny slope. describe what you think should happen. >> the fiscal cliff means we're taking $700 billion out of the economy because of the tax increases and spending cuts. if that happens our economy will hit rock bottom. we'll have zero growth over 2013. we will have, by the end of 2014, double digit unemployment. millions of americans will lose employment. so what you want to do is change the scale of that fiscal cliff to a gentle, let's say, bunny slope. we have a fragile economy, but it's accelerating and it's predicted as this year to grow. it grew at 2% to goh at 3% or more this coming year so you want this skier, so to speak to go down the s